buy nothing year!

topic posted Mon, September 24, 2007 - 8:33 AM by  Jenn
Check this out- these folks have decided to not buy anything for one year. Well, it’s not entirely true- they can buy food (preferably from local sources), and can buy things they need if they find them used. The idea is that you’re not creating the amount of waste that the usual American does- all the resources that go into creating your new clothes, new car, overly-packaged food, etc. If you buy something used, you’re not contributing to waste the way you do when you buy something new. Not to mention all the money you would save!

www.moneyunder30.com/buy-not...ou-do-it

groups.yahoo.com/group/thecompact/

I love this idea and am really inspired by it. I am starting small so it doesn't seem totally daunting- I'll start with one month.
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Jenn
  • Re: buy nothing year!

    Mon, September 24, 2007 - 9:49 AM

    Jenn,

    While limiting consumption resonates with me, I think we should just as wary of the extreme of buying nothing, as we are of the extreme of rampant consumerism. Ideas like "buy nothing year" are fine on an individual level, but they don't scale well at all -- if a significant percentage of the population did this regularly, the economy would suffer, layoffs and unemployment would rise, and more people would be forced to limit their expenditures, which makes the economy suffer more and the cycle goes on, getting worse and affecting more of the general populace with each iteration. It's just as dangerous as over-consumerism.

    I personally just try to be a responsible consumer. I look at packaging and determine what I can put in the recycle bin vs. what I would need to throw away (i'm always thinking of limiting what ends up in landfills). I either ask myself "do I really need this?" or "can I give away or sell something else in exchange for buying this?" Between my floppy-eared best friend and I, we don't generate much trash -- I usually only need to put the recycling and trash out once per month. I prefer purchasing music (something I do a lot) in a digital download form vs. CDs, because those CDs will take up far more space and cost much more (from an economic as well as environmental perspective) to manufacture. I use things like Freecycle.org when possible. I save a significant portion of every paycheck, which, aside from making me feel a bit more secure, also helps the economy in an indirect way by allowing banks to operate better by funding more (hopefully responsible) loans.

    I think this is really where we can do the best good -- trying to find the right balance of consumerism vs. thrift. Too far on either extreme isn't such a good thing when applied to significant percentages of the general public; moderation and "mindful consumerism" really is the key.

    Regards,

    John

    Falling You - exploring the beauty of voice and sound
    www.fallingyou.com


    • Re: buy nothing year!

      Mon, September 24, 2007 - 11:49 AM
      I think the important point is that this is POSSIBLE.

      I've read of people who decided to live entirely on very local foods for 1 year. Even the liquor they drank was locally produced. They also thought it would impossible/miserable, but it turns out they loved it, made it a regular way of life (with the rare inclusion of some exotics such as bananas).

      I think these challenges give a person a good understanding of what one is actually consuming, purchasing.
      A person may need major motivation (such as a "radical" goal) in order to alter one's traditionally American way of living. Once they try that "experimental living", they find how possible it is, and adopt those principles into their lives on the long-term.

      I think people should be applauded for trying something seemingly so "radical".

      And to shoot this down by saying it will hurt the economy (oh, how Un-American)... give me a break!
      Let me shed some tears for the American economy (boo-hoo), an economy which is already in tatters!
      By all means, let us all live for the economy, by the economy... in the name of the economy.

      Whatev!
      • Re: buy nothing year!

        Mon, September 24, 2007 - 11:54 AM
        BTW, I'm taking classes on knitting and house-building, to prepare myself for more independent living.

        Do it yourself,
        less crap from China.
        • Re: buy nothing year!

          Mon, September 24, 2007 - 12:15 PM
          I'm with sunshine here..
          I think the american economy is one of the strongest, if not thee strongest in the world.. all based on exploiting poorer, indeed much poorer nations..
          that isnt something we should be concerned about supporting.

          BNY isnt suggesting never ever buying anything anymore.. (as if!), but to restrict it to food alone, and use recycled goods.. actually thats all there is to it. And given that it is only for a year, I think the american research and development guys plan much farther ahead than a year.. so that would damage development all that much, just slow it down enough for them to come up with decent solutions, rather than quick buck products..

          Actually I participated last year with Buy Nothing Day,- and actually ended up buying somethig off an empoverished polish deaf and dumb guy selling home made gifts to help finance his operation.. (or so he stated on his little note). I realised for that relatively short period, i.e. my waking hours, that is was really really hard not to spend any money at all!! I was shocked.- It made me realise much more how often I whip out some cash or card.. and what exactly I spend it on.. And like probably most of us in here, I consider myself a thrifty person.. and actually quite poor, which makes spending a lot much harder as well..

          To just buy locally for a year seems like a far more crippling sacrifice than BNY,- I know I am not prepared to give up coffee or chocolate, or bananas..


          btw: good on ya' sunshine, for taking those classes.. its about self empowerment as well, and appreciating the goods we Do have already too..
          • Re: buy nothing year!

            Mon, September 24, 2007 - 12:47 PM

            Jana,

            OK, let me try another approach, if I may.

            For a full year, don't purchase the following:

            1. electrical service for your home
            2. water service for your home (if you're in a community where you have to purchase these services)
            3. garbage removal service
            4. natural gas service / heating oil
            5. public transit fare if you use public transit (which I completely encourage -- I very rarely drive anywhere)
            6. gasoline (if you're unable to use public transit)
            7. any entertainment that was not produced locally (no non-local books or films, for instance)

            ... and then compare your quality of life at the end of that year with the year before, where you did purchase these (and other) products / services. Now, imagine if 20% of the population in your locality did the same.

            Regards,

            John

            Falling You - exploring the beauty of voice and sound
            www.fallingyou.com
      • Re: buy nothing year!

        Mon, September 24, 2007 - 12:31 PM

        SunshineOtter,

        I probably didn't communicate this well enough in my first attempt, so i'll try again. On an individual scale, ideas like this are fine, and I agree that it is important to really know what you consume and where it goes when you're finished (hence "mindful consumerism"). What I was trying to communicate is that it is in the scaling of this idea to large parts of the population that the problems really begin to appear.

        ... and though I can understand negative perceptions of the economy and economic policies (esp. under _this_ US administration), it is just as important to realize how dependent we all are on a healthy economy, as it is important to realize what are consumptive habits and patterns are. If you're really interested in knowing this kind of thing, ask your employer what would happen to them if a significant (say, 20%) of their customers stopped purchasing the products / services your employer provides for a full year. Ask what sort of effect something like this would have upon your employers' continued solvency and ability to provide jobs for people.

        Regards,

        John

        Falling You - exploring the beauty of voice and sound
        www.fallingyou.com
        • Re: buy nothing year!

          Mon, September 24, 2007 - 1:12 PM
          Actually,
          My job is in scientific research for renewable energy.
          No one uses our research anyways.

          I have a very good understanding of the economy. (I am a scientist with 2 degrees, working on my 3rd.)
          So I really don't need a dumbed down explanation of the economy as you see it.
          Trust me, you are not going to have any success in trying to get me to "work" for the economy.
          • Re: buy nothing year!

            Mon, September 24, 2007 - 1:17 PM
            I think the state of the american economy is appallingly terrible.
            The 'powers that be' are responsible.

            I think it is improper to tell american consumers to "just keep buying" to make it all better.
            Baloney.
          • Re: buy nothing year!

            Mon, September 24, 2007 - 1:40 PM

            SunshineOtter,

            Congrats on the renewable energy research -- i'm a big proponent of this sort of thing, and i've been seriously considering making the financial commitment to going solar, since there is a lot of sun year-round where I live (SF bay area). My dog and I don't consume much electricity, it would be that much less power that PG&E would have to create / purchase from other sources, the tax / rebate incentives are significant, and it would add to the value of my home. The solar panels likely aren't produced locally, though ...

            ... but back to the subject at hand -- consider the plight of your neighbors. Do they work for the same organization that you do? If not, how will their employers cope if they experienced a 20% reduction in income for a year? Would your neighbors still have jobs? How much of your organizations' funding is provided by revenue from sales taxes? What would happen if 20% of that revenue would disappear?

            I'm not at all advocating a "just keep buying as you do today and everything will get better" approach. I'm advocating _mindful_ consumerism; that is, being aware of true costs of what you're purchasing, as well as the true value that it would provide, and weighing these accordingly.

            Regards,

            John

            Falling You - exploring the beauty of voice and sound
            www.fallingyou.com
            • Re: buy nothing year!

              Mon, September 24, 2007 - 3:41 PM
              re: "...consider the plight of your neighbors. Do they work for the same organization that you do? If not, how will their employers cope if they experienced a 20% reduction in income for a year? Would your neighbors still have jobs? How much of your organizations' funding is provided by revenue from sales taxes? What would happen if 20% of that revenue would disappear? "

              Dude!
              You have no idea!

              It is not my duty to prop up the economy.
              Telling people to buy things merely to ARTIFICIALLY prop up the economy is stupid!
              The economy is a reflection of many things, not an entity to prop up!

              My duty is to support myself and my loved ones as needed.
              And charities of my choosing if I can afford to do so.
              The economy is NOT on my list of charities!

              And by the way,
              MOST of the people I know are having a HARD time of things!
              They are having a hard time buying groceries and paying rent! (Regardless of degrees, experience, etc.)
              I make more than most people I know, and I am on the BOTTOM of "middle class".
              Myself, and my family/close friends, are too busy merely affording groceries, rent, and other basics to merely buy things to prop up the economy.
              A close friend of mine is so poor that he had to pawn his bike for grocery money. He now walks everywhere, since he cannot even afford the bus. And he works!
              I know people who are living 3 people in a 1-bdrm apt because costs of living are so high.

              The economy is a REFLECTION of many things/factors.
              Its sorry shape is a reflection that many people in this country are struggling and suffering.

              cutting costs is not just a matter of environmental conciousness. For many people I know, it is a matter of survival.

              • Re: buy nothing year!

                Mon, September 24, 2007 - 3:43 PM
                But your mantra is:

                Just keep buying,
                Just keep buying,
                Just keep buying....

                (sing to the tune of Just Keep Swimming)

                You are telling people to buy for the sake of buying!
                Why are you on this tribe?
                • Re: buy nothing year!

                  Mon, September 24, 2007 - 4:35 PM

                  SunshineOtter,

                  I haven't written or implied anything of the sort. I can write a quick Perl script to find instances of this phrase, and none of them will appear in posts attributed to me. I'm advocating _mindful consumerism_ i.e. taking the time to perform an honest cost / value analysis on products / services before purchasing them (and if the results of the equation don't justify the purchase, then don't purchase it). I'm condoning a rational, thoughtful and pragmatic way of looking at our consumptive habits, within our own lives as well as the larger spheres of our communities, localities, regions, territories on up.

                  Extreme actions / policies are fine for individuals -- i've written this repeatedly -- but they generally don't scale higher than that. When entire communities are involved, one has to be mindful of everyone in said community when instituting actions and policies that affect everyone. When effecting or advocating for change, it's best to be aware of all whom the change will impact. The "buy nothing year" idea is perfectly acceptable for instances of one or at most a few, but I find that a more moderate approach that attempts to address the varying needs of different people in said community results in a more reasoned and sensible result for communities larger than that. This was the only point I was trying to make throughout this whole affair.

                  Regards,

                  John

                  Falling You - exploring the beauty of voice and sound
                  www.fallingyou.com
              • Re: buy nothing year!

                Tue, September 25, 2007 - 1:28 AM
                Dear John, consider this:

                if You had to cut costs by 20% this coming year. Where would you save that money? On utilities? On groceries? I guess not. It would be saved on luxuries,- that smaller tv set, that cheaper appliance, holidays, restaurants, those potted plants.. you name it.. all that Stuff people have in their homes, which Doesn't need to be there..

                Saving turnover at the travel agents, buying no cheap Chinese or Korean appliances for a year would not harm the us economy, in fact it would strengthen it, as there would be fewer middle men taking a cut for no apparent reason..
                reducing the product to consumer stretch, allowing for Real profit in the economy..

                Your arguments May have points to consider, if truly All of the nation participated and reduced turnover by 20%,- but you and I know that this would never happen.. so why argue for the arguments sake? Cant you be happy that people are trying to find ways to educate and empower themselves?
                • Re: buy nothing year!

                  Tue, September 25, 2007 - 7:49 AM

                  Jana,

                  Thank you for the kind response -- it is appreciated. The entire point i've been trying to make through this entire thread is that I think this is a fine idea for individuals -- anything that makes one aware of their own consumptive patterns (so they can be changed if need be) is great. It has a negligible effect on the economy, yet allows the individual to really find out what and how they consume. I was just trying to point out -- and perhaps I didn't do this so well, though I certainly did try -- that for scales larger than one or a few individuals, a better approach is responsible, mindful consumerism.

                  I really think we're all after the same thing here -- limiting what goes in landfills, recycling all that we can, not buying things if we can't afford / justify them, in the hopes that we spew less toxins into the atmosphere, clear-cut less forests (i'm a _huge_ tree nut, so i'm very big on this one), etc. I was only trying to say that a more rational, pragmatic way of doing this is needed for society at large, _becaue_ most people can't justify a "buy nothing year" program, and the effect that a large #, say 20% of the populace, doing this at once would be very bad for the other 80% -- many people would lose their jobs / not be able to feed themselves or each other / lose their homes / etc. So, we need a more responsible consumer ethic -- hence, mindful consumerism.

                  Regards,

                  John, not being dismissive, just being reasonable

                  Falling You - exploring the beauty of voice and sound
                  www.fallingyou.com

                  P.S. Regarding saving -- I admit that i'm in an interesting position. I'm big into minimal living and being as low-impact as possible, and I make way more than I need, so i'm able to save approx. 40% of my monthly salary (and I actually think this is too low -- i'd like to get to 50%). I generally feel better / more secure this way, and i'm also trying to save enough for the solar installation I mentioned (and the roof work that might be needed to support it).
  • Re: buy nothing year!

    Mon, September 24, 2007 - 2:07 PM
    OH YEAH! This is a GREAT idea! I've been doing this as much as possible for a while. I pay minimal rent for minimal space (or do work-trade when traveling). I buy food when the food i buy is of higher grade (organic, fresher) than what i could dumpster, and otherwise am happy dumpstering (pineapples, avos, things with rinds, produce for juicing, etc.). I buy a bar of sulphur soap every few months and I like Weleda toothpaste a lot. I get my clothes at swaps or find them, mostly. I don't see anything wrong with "extreme" behavior in terms of trying to put the brakes on capitalism and the destruction it leaves in its wake. And in any case, the folks hopping off the capitalist train can afford to be fairly hardcore b/c that train's moving so fast. I feel the least we can do is not lend our personal momentum to that vehicle. None of the adjustments i've made to my lifestyle have been the least been onerous for me. in fact, it's made my ride a whole lot more fun and brought me into contact with some of the greatest people in my life.


    : )
  • Re: buy nothing year!

    Mon, October 1, 2007 - 2:47 PM
    So, my husband and I had a big ol' discussion the other morning about all this. He also disagrees with the Compact. His argument is that we need to use our economic power to push companies in the direction we want them to go- by buying solar panels, wind generators, electric cars, etc. The technology moves faster and in a certain direction when there is a percieved demand for it- and that demand only registers when we vote with our pocketbooks. I agree with this, and it has been my philosophy for some time now.

    Personally, for the Compact, I did write a list of exceptions for myself that I think still line up with the basic philosophy- I will still purchase entertainment, particularly live music and performances, and downloadable music. I think that supporting artists is very important. Also, it is assumed that participants still pay rent, utilities and transportation costs. So, Buy Nothing is really a misnomer.

    I think people have various reasons for doing the Compact. Simplifying one's life is a stated goal on the blog. But also just slowing way down and considering where everything you purchase comes from, what the full ramifications are of your consumerism, etc. There is also the point (check out freeganism) that there is so much waste in American society, that one can easily live off all the discarded food and other tangible goods that folks would otherwise throw out. Our society is wasteful and inefficient. I think cutting the waste is something we can and should do- and it won't hurt the economy... it will feed the homeless (see Food Not Bombs). Personally, I just want to stop automatically buying stuff without thinking about it. Sometimes stopping completely is the only way to notice how often you actually purchase things.

    It's true that this could not be taken large scale very well. How can we all buy used clothes only for more than a few weeks before there are no more used clothes? Sure- it's hardly a complete social revolution. But it is an admittedly fringe way to redefine your personal consumerism and lessen money's grip on your life. It also does greatly reduce one's personal carbon footprint and save you some cash.

    I must admit, I haven't held to it very well for a variety of reasons. But I think it's a great jumping-off point, and a great temporary exercise to pull yourself out of the buying and selling cycle for a bit. I like to fast twice a year too. A way to clean out your mind a body a bit. I think of this the same way.

    Another aspect of this that I like is the idea of creating and strengthening communities based on this philosophy. The idea is to trade, barter and share to get what you need, then buy used if you must. If I have tons of oranges on my tree- they oughta go to someone. When everyone is thinking in terms of sharing community resources instead of just individually buying what they need from a store- I think we benefit. You don't need as much money when you pool resources.

    Speaking of the economy, I think we need to consider all the ways it can grow. I am not an economist, so I may be out on a limb intellectually with this one, but hear me out. Our consumerism has created a culture where if something breaks, it's cheaper to buy a new one than get the old one fixed. This is a disaster environmentally, but I suppose it keeps factory workers employed. However, it's also developed a lack of skilled laborers and service people. I had a sewage pipe break recently, and the plumber said he was incredibly busy because there aren't enough plumbers in LA to fix all the busted pipes. What if we shift some of our consumerism into services rather than into purchasing goods? That will certainly keep folks employed, with decent wages, and reduce our amount of waste.

    I agree that extremes are bad, and with a powerful economy, we have the opportunity to greatly change the world. But so far, our consumer culture has changed things largely for the worse, I think. We have to come up with alternative ways to grow our economy, including cutting waste and fostering a more equal distribution of resources.

    Thanks for reading the longest post ever.
    • Re: buy nothing year!

      Mon, October 1, 2007 - 5:15 PM

      Jenn,

      Well said, overall -- many of the views you've communicated resonate with me. Waste is a big problem. Greater efficiency is something that we should always strive for. We, as Americans, generally consume too much (too many natural resources, too much food, too many whimsical purchases and not enough actual cost / value analysis performed, etc). We really do need to make a real effort to become more aware of our consumptive habits and patterns.

      Kudos on the pro-Solar perspective! I'm a big supporter of this, and i'm very hopeful that the technology will advance to the point where it's more or less at parity from a cost and efficiency perspective with dirtier (coal) or more dangerous (nuclear) power. That flaming ball of gas in the sky has provided the required energy for every living thing and every organic process on this planet for hundreds of millions of years, and it's not going anywhere -- to think that we silly humans can't apply that to our energy needs is ludicrous to me, and I think it's yet another example of we humans intent on living on _top_ of the system, rather than _within_ it.

      Regarding services and manufactured goods, again, I completely agree. Jobs don't necessarily have to be at the expense of the environment, and if we could shift our consumer paradigm from goods (buy a new one if the old one breaks) and more towards services (hire someone to fix the old one), we could potentially eliminate a lot of waste, use fewer natural resources, and generate much less trash. Every time I think "but with todays' electronics, extreme miniaturization and economies of scale, it is often less expensive to replace than repair", I hear a story of some Asian whiz-kid that can fix your mobile phone for a very reasonable fee. These stories make me feel good -- like maybe we silly humans are finally taking sustainability seriously.

      ... many of your other points resonate with me as well, but you've communicated them in a more succinct way than I ever could, so i'll stop here.

      Regards,

      John

      Falling You - exploring the beauty of voice and sound
      www.fallingyou.com
      • Re: buy nothing year!

        Mon, October 1, 2007 - 11:56 PM
        very satisfying reads, Jenn and John,- thank you both!
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          Re: buy nothing year!

          Wed, October 10, 2007 - 9:00 PM
          It is really refreshing too...I didn't go a whole year but I did go a whole winter a few years in ASPEN of all places. That is at least worth a year. Actually I did spend 5.00 once on purpose for a treat and cup of mocha at a little bookstore.

          How did I do this? Transportation...I walked or hitched or use the free mass transit
          Food: I worked at a dog mushing kennel and my work included two meals a day which was fine for me
          Board: My work as a musher included a board...not in conditions most would like by I liked just fine.
          Insurance: I did not have any..staying fit was my insurance
          Clothes: had all I needed and could have found more used if I did need any.
          Stuff: did not buy any or feel the desire to
          Entertainment: I worked 12 hour days 6 days a week with over 250 sled dogs in beautiful mountains..who needs any entertainment? My day off I just hiked, snowshoed, or read...and napped!
          Working out: My job was very very physical...intense labor, about 40 miles a week of running in snow at high altitude, and the job included gym membership which used every night to lift and do yoga.

          Yes, my job kept me busy and took care of some basic needs...but the point is I could of spent the $ I made on all kinds of stuff my peers did working up there but I felt absolutely no desire to do so. I think that kind of nails it..most people buy most of what they do out of some longing desire and emptyness.

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